Hello theology and

or all the oral listeners i'm present sprinkle and the following episode is an interview that i did with

Brian zon the Brian zon is a pastor a writer writer, a thinker, an intellectual, and in some ways a Christian provocateur.

As you will see, Brian is a wonderful guy.

I had a wonderful time with this interview. Got to know him

quite a bit actually. I haven't talked to Brian before and really enjoyed this interview.

We covered a lot of different things like patriotism, nationalism, pastoral ministry, changing

your theological views, spiritual disciplines, violence in the Old Testament, nonviolence in the Bible, and many, many other topics.

I hope you enjoy the show.

Hello friends and welcome to another episode of Theology in the raw.

I am here with my new friend and in many ways,

fellow Minister of the Gospel, colleague Brian Zand.

Thank you so much Brian for being on theology in the raw.

Hello Preston I've known of you for a good long while and now we're finally meeting as it were.

Finally I know it's like we've on social media and just seen different books come out and seeing some, a lot of resonance in so many ways. I just feel like I know you already, but this is the first time we've ever talked or seen each other so yeah you look really good for a 45 year old.

There you go that's right.

Amen.

Why don't we start by I want to hear your theological journey because I just know a tiny

glimpse that and here's all I know is that you were sort of a pastor in a vibrant, if I can say very charismatic kind of background.

Yeah.

And you have, I don't think ditched that completely, but from what I understand kind of yeah just been on a journey toward a more I guess intellectually vibrant nuanced approach to Christianity.

So if that's at all correct or if it's not I'd love to hear you explain

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