She and Quirk, welcome back to the show.

Thank you, Mr. O'Connor. It's a pleasure to be here.

What socks do you have on today?

Um, they're not red.

That's good.

I've gone for something somewhat darker.

Yeah, there were some choice comments about your decision in our last podcast.

Well, I think they're more like choice comments about the positioning of the camera that you decided to set up where it was.

But the less said about that, the better. Sure. On with the show. Do you think there's such a thing as bad art?

Um, well, that's quite the question to begin with.

And I hate to say it, but I think to answer that, we have to ask, what is art?

And I know that's the kind of question that people of your ilk

philosophers like to talk about. And I think that kind of question is actually one reason

why a lot of people struggle to get into art, because I try to enjoy a painting, and you're

here sort of wondering whether if I spilled some wine on my white shirt and it was sort of in

the shape of a dog, whether that was a work of art or not.

But anyway, I don't think we need to get into all that. So to answer the question of whether

there's bad art, what is art in the first place? And there's a little sort of thought experiment I

like to do which tells us something quite important about the nature of art. So imagine if I held

before you a blank piece of paper.

I mean, I have one here. So I held this before you. If I set fire to this, what do you think

your reaction would be? I'd be worried for this fine building, but outside of that, I wouldn't

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