When you realize, I mean, you obviously learn the hard way I did too,

but the people who run the business are just not good people.

There's some friendly people, there's some certainly some smart people.

There are some people who are good people,

but in general, I worked at three different TV networks full-time

and then two others part-time.

And I just found as a rule management

they just weren't people you would make the godparents to your kids.

A lot of people are afraid.

I mean, I just think it's like...

Is that what it is?

Well, certainly linear television, you know,

now the big companies,

I think people are terrified.

You know, you see management,

they don't know where they're going to be the next day.

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So leadership is hard to find and gutsy leadership.

You look back at the, you know, the days of great sitcom television.

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