Hey, this is Stephen Fertake. I'm the pastor of Elevation Church and this is our

podcast. I wanted to thank you for joining us today. Hope this inspires you.

Hope it builds your faith. Hope it gives you perspective to see God is moving in your life,

enjoy the message.

I am here with New York Times best-selling author Don Miller, entrepreneur Don Miller. Entrepreneur Don Miller.

Husband.

Don Miller.

I loved the book Scary Close.

Thank you.

In fact, I read this book two times, and second time reading it.

It was just as powerful as the first time.

And I thought it would be cool for us to talk about some of the things that you said in the book

that resonated so deeply with me about intimacy.

Well the book is about intimacy.

Yeah, it's about the fear of, overcoming the fear of and the challenges to have intimacy.

And you kind of talk about the enemies through the lens of your own crisis of intimacy.

Yeah.

So I love how you start the book. You're such a vulnerable author. You know I've told you I love your books and I like how right at the beginning of the book you're in the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Carolina.

And you say I had to deal with my hang-ups or whatever you called them.

You basically had to deal with your dysfunction.

So take us into that moment.

So I got married at 42.

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