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I am your host, Michael Covel, not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion.

If I'm offered an opportunity to interview an author and the title of his book is fluke,

chance, chaos, and why everything we do matters, I'm in. I'm all in. My guest today is Brian

Klaus and we dive into this very idea of fluke, the random, unpredictable, chaotic event, choice, decision, who knows what, and how it shapes us all.

Not only that, our own choices.

Our own choices are constantly shaping us, our family's choices.

So many different issues, but it all weaves in to an interesting bit of insight.

Without any further delay from me, I hope you enjoy this

conversation with Brian Klaus. I love the premise. I'll share something really quick about how I

typically do these. I often find just having a conversation is the best way. I'm going to bring up many topics and ideas in the book. And it usually just works great like that. By thinking is your premise of getting people to, if you're on the elevator or someone, you're bringing him into the idea of like, hey, rewind your life, play it over again.

Do you think it would play out like it's played out so far?

The obvious answer for me is no, the chances of it playing out exactly the same or I would think

zero because there's too many choices, too many decisions, too many things happened to me

along the way that were perhaps

unpredictable. There's chance. But then on the flip side of that, too, there could be, you know,

okay, I was a guy growing up in suburban Virginia, outside D.C. For many people that go down that

track, they don't end up in Saigon. They're probably working for the government,

living around the D.C. area, that kind of thing. So there are these small decisions and chances

and things that can happen that can affect our life direction. But then there's also perhaps

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