My book release day is quickly approaching you guys and I love love for you to grab a copy I know I'm not the only one who's ever thought gosh why can't I get it together or may you put another way?

I'm such a mess.

I've really struggled with believing that everyone else has things figured out.

Whether that's at work or in relationships with others or in parenting or just following Jesus

better, we can compare so many things in life but there is hope for us I

promise and I talk all about it in my new book. Go to Jamie ivy.com

slash book to pre-order why can't I get it together?

Hey friends and welcome to the happy hour with Jamie Ivy Podcast.

I'm your host Jamie and I'm so glad you're here.

Each week on this show I invite a friend to join me and we chat about the big things in life, the little things My friend Lauren McAfee is here.

She's the founder and visionary of Stand for Life and she's the author of lots and lots of books which most recently she released a book called Beyond Our Control.

She wrote it with her husband Michael and we talk about that today and oh my gosh I told her in this interview that I listened to her book on in audible last fall and there were so many times where I was like oh my gosh I would have put this

quote in my new book because a lot of the same conversations

in her book are happening in my new book.

And again, I say all the time,

I think God is really doing something

when there's a lot of the same type of themes happening in culture and

leadership in ministry and so the conversation you're going to hear today is so great

and Lauren and our husband have endured lots of things out of their control. One of the major stories

throughout this book was about something that happened with a son of theirs.

And so I'll let her tell the story and it's in the book but it's super

encouraging to hear them talk about how they

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