What's up, everyone? This is Anthony Pompliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening

to Off the Chain, simply the best podcasting crypto. Let's kick this thing off.

Jay Kwan is the founder and CEO of Tenderman. In this conversation, we discuss consensus

algorithms, game of stakes, nation-state surveillance,

climate change, cow farts, life on Mars, and liquid-solid states of matter.

I really enjoyed this conversation, and Jay has very unique views of the world.

I hope you enjoy it nearly as much as I did.

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All right, guys, bang, bang.

I'm here with Jay.

We got a lot to cover.

We're going to go super deep on the environment.

He's going to teach me some stuff. I'm going to argue with them.

And you guys are going to learn.

So thank you so much for coming.

You're going to try to make me mad, right?

I can try to make you mad about the environment, but I don't know enough about the environment.

We can't argue like sports or something and then maybe I could win. I can't talk about sports. I don't want to. All right.

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