Hey, I'm Jeffrey Masters, and today on LGBTQ&A, I'm talking to Joseph Osmenson.

He's got a new book out called Inside Out, which talks about a relationship and not a good one.

Specifically, it talks about the gray area in a relationship between what is abuse and not abuse,

and how oftentimes people like you and me listening, we won't even agree.

And then something else that I love about Joe that we talk about is that he identifies as queer,

but allows himself the flexibility to use different words to describe his sexuality and gender depending on what just feels right in the moment.

And that sounds confusing, I promise.

It's not.

You'll see, and I think that it's really a great example for all of us.

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without further ado, here's Joe.

So you're a writer. Your new book is called Inside Out, but you're also a scientist. You have a PhD

in molecular physics. Is that right? Molecular biophysics. Molecular biophysics. I bring that up because

obviously that affects your writing in ways both overt and not. Yeah. But one of the anecdotes from your

book that stuck with me was from one of your science classes about the floss. Yes, indeed. It's But one of the anecdotes from your book that stuck with me was from one of your science

classes about the floss. Yes, indeed. It's actually one of my favorite moments that that was going

to be in the book from the beginning. Oh, really? Yeah, it was one of like almost the central metaphors

that I was thinking about in writing the book is like sort of what we let inside and what we don't. Yeah.

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