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Hi guys, I'm Emma.

And I'm Julie.

And welcome back to another episode of our Kardashian bonus show.

Hey, Joel.

Hi, I'm.

We're going to Thailand, baby.

I feel like I forgot up until a couple of weeks ago that this trip even happened.

I mean, they kind of just spraying it on us. Like we're in a very pivotal time in Kardashians,

but specifically a very dark time for both Chloe and Rob. Then it's kind of like, oh, we're out of the trenches and all of a sudden on the opposite end of the world.

Oh, we are certainly not out of the trenches with Rob and Chloe.

This is dark for them. They are so trauma bonded. And I recognize that saying that could potentially

take away from their bond that has nothing to do with trauma. I recognize that. But in addition to

being very bonded generally, they also are specifically trauma bonded. And you really, really see that here.

Oh, I mean, they have an incredibly codependent relationship as is. When Chloe describes their

childhood, it's very much everybody was broken off into groupings of two. So it was Kim and Courtney

very much together. It was Kylie and Kendall very much together,

and it was Rob and Chloe. And I think the first experience of that trauma bond was probably

Rob and Chris's divorce, although they were very young at that time. Then Robert passed away.

They were incredibly trauma bonded during that time. And now you have them both dealing with separate issues, but also the same issue,

because so much of what Rob is going through happened while he was living in the house with Chloe and Lamar

and experiencing their very dark period as his own.

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