Hello and one to the Red Box podcast with me Matt Chorley. Now we covered loads of stuff on the

Times radio show this morning we discussed what is kirism. What is the Labour

leader stand for? I'm not sure we got very far in actually answering that question, but it was a fascinating discussion nonetheless.

We talked a lot about Huawei and the government's decision to remove that from the 5G network in the UK.

David Wronovich and Daniel Finkelstein were just fascinating talking about all

sorts of stuff not least why family members are not always the best people to

write books about politicians and we have some great advice on how to come up

with unpackable passwords well worth listening back to all of that on the

time-acable passwords. Well worth listening back to all of that on the Times-Radio

or at Times-Radio, but here on the podcast we thought we'd go with a

fascinating conversation I had with Jeffrey Cox,

former attorney general, who I've known for many years, actually, when I was first a reporter on the Western Morning News, and I used to call him up from a comment as a backbench Tory MP.

His answer phone on his phone used to have Big Ben Bonging as he left a message.

They're going, bong! Hello, it's Jeffrey Cox here.

Bong!

Please leave a message.

Anyway, that's a terrible impression of Jeffrey Cox.

Loads of people sent your messages saying just how much they enjoyed listening to his voice.

Was he Darth Vader? Was he Mufasa from the Lion King? I'll leave you to decide.

This is my conversation with Jeffrey Cox.

Now then, is the government above the law and who makes sure or tries to make sure that ministers don't end up in court? Well, it's the job of the attorney general, which tends to be a low profile cabinet job

until things get a bit legally contentious like I don't know the government tries to

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