Hey everyone, Kevin Rose here. Welcome back to another episode of the Kevin Rose show.

Today's guest is Josef Ayela, who is the co-founder and CEO at Edmund Hillary Fellowship,

which is also known as EHF. Josef has a really fantastic story and just crazy journey. He started

off in Ethiopia, later moved to the United States and graduated from Harvard, then moved to Silicon

Valley, but really became frustrated with our whole immigration process here in the States,

and decided that this was not the place for him. He ended up moving to New Zealand.

We're really, he just went back to first principles and thought, how can I redefine or help redefine

what a modern immigration policy looks like? And what he's created is really fascinating. He's put

a emphasis on really the holistic person, so pulling out from the individual what drives them,

what they're passionate about, their creativity, and not just the old school way of doing things,

which is, do they have a degree that matches this form so I can check this box and stamp this

to let this person in the country? So I feel oftentimes, you know, I've experienced this when I was

a dig. I was trying to bring in Daniel Berkan to the country, and when I was trying to get

Daniel Avisas, a fantastic designer, was my designer for five years, had started a very successful

design company in Canada, but didn't necessarily have the degree to back it up. So how do you

explain to the immigration officer that yes, I don't have a degree, but I'm a really skilled designer,

and oftentimes they just reject you, and they don't let you in the States, and which is sad,

because we're missing out on some great talent that could be here that doesn't necessarily have

the formal pedigree that perfectly checks that box so that they can approve that person.

So Yosuf went to New Zealand and had a chance to create a brand new visa from the ground up.

This is called the global impact visa that he successfully launched, and New Zealand is primarily

known as historically as just an agriculture economy, and Yosuf was really interested in figuring out

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