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Some terminology, not all the completely standard, the some of it is.

There's like three views.

One is kind of more inclusive view, and then there are two more specific views on the Eucharist

and the Christian community. So some Christians accept the real presence that include Catholics,

the Eastern Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans, and various other people. So for instance, in Waco we have what we call Baptocatholics.

And they're Baptists who really like Catholic liturgy and tradition and feast days,

sometimes even saints and lent and things like that, though they're somewhat suspicious of the Magisterium, but not that suspicious.

And many of them, I think, take the real presence quite seriously, and I think that it's probably true.

So that's the claim that Jesus is really substantially present in the Eucharist.

That's what I'll take it to be.

There's another doctrine that gets added to it that sometimes gets the cute name real absence.

And this is one that is less widely accepted, the Catholics, but historically, of course, very widely. It's accepted by Catholics but historically of course very widely it's accepted by Catholics

in the Eastern Orthodox and it says that there is no bread or wine in the Eucharist it's

really absent and and then there is what you might call double presence.

And so Anglicans and Lutherans tend to accept both real presence of Christ and real presence

of bread and wine.

And so we can call it double presence.

The technical terms are for a real presence plus real absence is transubstantiation.

The substance of bread and wine changes into Christ's body and blood so that there isn't any

bread and wine remaining on double presence view that bread and wine stays present.

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