What you're experiencing on screen is deeply a mystery in a lot of different ways actually.

The folks even that are sort of the stalwart narrator or the adventurer or

unmistigator are probably having their own battle of confidence

within their soul at that very moment anyway.

Most of our listeners will remember Jim Perry as our official paranormal

correspondent as well as the host of the podcast

Eufa Met, a documentary series that explores the unknown and

our relationship to it through talking with those who believe they've experienced

the supernatural. Joining us is the host of the podcast stories with Sapphire.

Sapphire Sandalo, a queer Filipino American occultist whose mission is to add more empathy and diversity to

supernatural communities through stories and interviews from around the

world. You may have seen her on the Max Show Ghost Town the paranormal caught on camera and

paranormal night shift.

Today we'll be talking about what it's like to work on very different kinds of

projects in the supernatural sphere and get a behind the scenes look at how they're made.

You know, those classic reality TV shows where experiences tell their stories, complete

with reenactments and those dramatic shaky camera ghost hunts

that seek to prove the existence of these unseen forces.

Jim and Sapphire compare this kind of work done for big production companies to the work that

they have more control over, where they seek, first and foremost, to create spaces of safety and empathy for those

who believe they've experienced the unexplainable.

We'll talk about the dream of diversifying away from the formulaic industry of

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