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Our interview with Tory y Moi means it’s time to bear down. Toro aka Chaz Bear—whose new album Hole Erth is out September 6th—got deep on Ben Davis vs. Dickies, buying rare Japanese sandals and eating flexitarian tacos in NYC, channeling both his inner barsman and angsty suburban kid on his latest project, going dad mode, he’s a musicals guy, working with rappers and Tyler, The Creator’s studio sessions, taking the time and care and respect to study a new genre before incorporating it into his music, the Realtree revolution, Swagapinos and karaoke, hitting up Ben Gibbard for a feature, the real reasons why so many artists today switch up their sound, what’s up with Les Sins, we fill Chaz in on his long history with our baby boy Chuck, realizing you unintentionally went stadium status, popularity perks and how even his lovely and humble ass has switched up, being just a scene kid who fell in love with a scene girl, getting teased as a kid and how much it costs to change your last name so you stop getting bullied, working at Chick-fil-A and Wendy’s, Chaz can have Doritos on the road as a little treat, hoodwinking yourself into designing right wing political propaganda and trolling back, the one tee in one tee out rule, macro thoughts on the post-Online Ceramics world of graphic tees and mixing the Gen Z digital dystopian vibes with artisanal grown man swag, Tumblr trend cycles, defend the Bay Area at all costs if you love tech, still rocking Yeezys, hotel snobbery and much more on Toro y Moi’s interview with The Only Podcast That Matters™.