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You're listening to Under the Skin with Russell Brand. Raoul Martinis is a philosopher, artist,

and award-winning filmmaker. His first book, Creating Freedom, was informed by over a decade of

research and is accompanied by a documentary series. Episode one, The Lottery of Birth, was

nominated for Best Documentary at London's Rain Dance Film Festival and went on to win the

Act of a Spirit Award in 2012. Hello, Raoul. Hey, Russell, good to be here. Thank you.

Good. I'm glad you're here. Francesca Martinis is also Raoul's sister for a start and is a stand-up,

comedian, writer, and actors. Performed sell-out shows all around the world. It was written a book,

and well, I know you don't have known you for a while. Yes, we have. We go back along,

way. Thanks for coming on, Francesca. Also with me, for, I mean, this is the, on this show, on this

episode of Under the Skin, we're focusing primarily on Raoul Martinis and his book Creating Freedom,

and some of the ideas, some of the anti-capitalist ideas that are in that book, some of the spiritual

ideas, some of the psychological ideas in this book. With me, it's my academic crush, new friend,

and excitingly endowed with a, I'd call it a glamorous cardigan. It's Dr. Brad Evans for

Lossfront Friend, Hello Brad. Great to be back. It's lovely to have you here. I'm hoping to cultivate a

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