In May, 2003, Richard Turley and Barbara Jones Brown published a book through Oxford University

Press entitled Vengeance is Mine, which documents the aftermath of the Mountain Meadows

Massacre, including the efforts of church and civic leaders in southern Utah

to conceal their involvement in the atrocity through witness silencing and misinformation,

as well as evading or stalling investigations by both government agencies and church organizations,

by lack of cooperation and political maneuvering.

They also chronicle details about the nine individuals who were

ultimately indicted, the five who were apprehended, and John D. Lee who ultimately faced execution.

Today on Church History Matters, we sit down with both Richard Turley and Barbara Jones Brown

to discuss their important book, to hear their informed insights and perspectives,

and to consider what Latter-day Saints and others can learn from this tragedy,

and how to productively move forward.

I'm Scott Woodward, and my co-host is Casey Griffiths,

and today Casey and I dive into our eighth episode in this series

on peace and violence in Latter-day Saint history.

Now let's get into it.

Hello, Scott. Hi, Casey. How are you, sir? We're back here again. We're getting close to the

end of our series on peace and violence among 19th century Latter-day Saints. Yeah, we've been talking

about some pretty rough things. Most recently, we've been talking about some pretty rough things.

Most recently, we've been going through some of the painful details of the Mountain Meadows

Massacre, which, Casey, this is a painful topic.

It's a topic that fits into category three of how you've been walking us through peace and

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