From KCRW, I'm Bob Carlson, and this is unfictional.

Unfictional is a program of true stories, personal documentaries, and radio movies.

And on this episode a brand new story from unfictional contributor Eric Allen,

and specifically it's about a number of years who spent around the turn of the millennium as a headset jockey, making cold calls, selling stuff to randos on the phone, Get Rich Quick Schemes.

It was grim dehumanizing work, and it did a number on Eric Allen.

It changed him.

It scarred his soul.

And then he kept going.

From KCRW, it's unfictional and 1-800 kiss my ass. I'm worried about absolving myself.

You mean?

You know, like, I don't know.

Why is absolving yourself bad thing? Because how could you?

Like, there's too much damage to undo.

Russ got away with $320 million off of people's credit card,

like, you know, $1,000 at a time. million dollars off of people's credit card.

Like, you know, a thousand dollars at a time.

People who shouldn't be doing that.

There's just no excuse.

Hello and welcome. I'm Russ Dahlby founder of Winning in the Cash Flow business and

America's No Nower and I want to personally thank you for your interest and

confidence in my company. This is not a flattering story. I shouldn't have even

been having fun during the interview. They subpoenaed me. They were not

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