Boom and we're live ladies and gentlemen.

Heather Hying, Brett Weinstein. I didn't screw it up this time.

Nope, you got it right.

Gotta get that Steen-stein thing messed up with you.

I apologize.

It's a bad time to get those messed up.

It is.

Thanks for having us. Thank you for being here. Both of you I'm very excited about this conversation.

Really excited about it too. A little bit nervous in one way but but pretty pretty jazz. Well I think it's good to be nervous about it you You know, I mean, what we're talking about folks, what we would like to talk about is, why don't you explain it?

Well, I think Heather and I have been on an interesting adventure.

We are evolutionary biologists.

We trained with some of the finest evolutionary biologists of the 20th century and we have

been teaching.

We taught for, Heather taught for 15 years, I taught for 14 years at Evergreen

and we spent a lot of time dealing with students and trying to help them see how clarifying an evolutionary viewpoint is with respect to

understanding what a human being is and how we function and how we interact.

And that was very enjoyable to us and it was very empowering to students to

discover that there was actually a way of removing a lot of the confusion of

being a person and we're now watching the conversation out in civilization about

sex and gender devolve into an absurdity and on the one hand that's kind of frightening. I mean, for us it's not directly an issue. We're happily married.

And so we're not having to navigate romance out in the world these days and our kids are too

young to be navigating it yet.

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