Coming up next on the Jordan Harbinger Show.

If you have a hit single and you just sing in the microphone,

they're paying more money for a ticket than they do for the album.

It makes fans.

Michael Jackson, without all that dancing in the backwards and the stuff,

not the same artist.

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Spotify app to get started. Today on the show, Gene Simmons, lead singer of Kiss, whether you're a

fan or not, Kiss and Gene are legends in the rock scene and have been for decades. I really didn't

know what to expect here. And during the interview, well, frankly, he comes across a little bit

standoffish sometimes, though in the end, I think this interview did go in a fun direction. A little vulgar at times, that's his personality. I guess

a lot of corny sex jokes you might also expect if you were like hanging out with a pervy kind of

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