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11: David Roche - Thoughts from Hong Kong : Founder, Independent Strategy and former Head of Global Strategy , Morgan Stanley

Money Maze Podcast

Money Maze Podcast

Business, Investing, Management, News, Business News

4.8216 Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2020

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Our guest today is Morgan Stanley’s former chief global strategist and for the last 25 years head of Independent Strategy, a research group who advise Governments, Sovereign Wealth Funds and influential financial institutions about the global investment and geopolitical outlook. His views have long been sought after, are often contrarian but remain typically revered.

David’s journey starts with his early years in Ireland, attending Trinity College, then working for ICI in Belgium, before going to INSEAD which provided a springboard for a move into financial services. First at JP Morgan where he rose to become head of strategy and then Morgan Stanley where from its infancy in Europe he became their European and then Global Strategist.

David has authored some brilliant & extraordinarily accurate pieces & predictions, Perestroika predicting the collapse of the Soviet Union, Pricing Power to the People about the internet’s revolutionary impact on lowering prices, and more recently his view of the post Covid landscape and a return to National Economics.

David describes how his, at-times, controversial pieces of research did not suit large financial institutions and how he established his company, Independent Research, to fill a gap of providing long term, often contrarian, thought-provoking research.

The conversation puts the spotlight on China and its geo-political and economic ambitions. Living in Hong Kong for over a decade, David has a ringside seat to comment on the potential “New Cold War”, to discuss why censorship and China’s political model has crushed freedoms of cultural and other expression, and yet why China might also be overestimating its strength.

David goes on to discuss implications for the post Covid world. He explains why he expects a changed global architecture to emerge after the pandemic. Big governments, he argues, will supply an increased proportion of demand whilst trying to inflate away debt; Why the world for the Mega Tech platform companies will alter, perhaps in an unexpected way, and why he believes goods will become more expensive as de-globalisation unfolds. Within this, he explains why he sees Europe as a winner.

Finally he talks about the big asset allocation decisions he would make and some pithy advice for younger listeners weighing up career options.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Money Maze podcast. I'm Simon Brewer, and we've created this show to explore and unravel some of the mysteries surrounding the investment business.

0:19.3

And we hope through direct and insightful interviews with

0:22.3

masters of the real-life money maze, we're going to learn about different approaches to

0:27.5

allocating capital, making investment and business decisions, and navigating the pitfalls that line

0:34.2

the paths to prosperity. Whether you're a current or aspiring investor or a student

0:39.3

exploring career options, we hope you gain some helpful insights and enjoy the shows. Thank you for

0:45.6

listening. There are lots of incredibly smart people who have ended up working in finance,

0:52.4

but there are few who combine intelligence

0:54.5

and powerful insights with humility and humour, so I'm thrilled that one such person is our

0:59.8

guest today. Morgan Stanley's former chief global strategist, and for the last 25 years head

1:05.7

of independent strategy, a research group who advised governments, central banks, sovereign wealth funds and other

1:12.5

influential financial institutions about the global investment and geopolitical outlook.

1:17.9

So David Roach, I'm thrilled to have you here as a guest today.

1:21.5

David, you've authored some brilliant and extraordinary accurate pieces and predictions.

1:27.3

Perestroika predicting the collapse of the Soviet

1:29.5

Union, pricing power to the people about the internet's revolutionary impact on lowering prices,

1:35.8

and more recently some really thought-provoking work about the post-COVID landscape.

1:40.9

David, you're our first Irishman on the show, graduate of Trinity College Dublin. You started

1:46.4

your career at ICI, did an MBA at Encead, and moved to financial services with J.P. Morgan.

1:53.5

Ten years later, he became their strategist and switched from one Morgan to the other. What was

1:59.7

the motivation to change firms? I think the motivation was to Morgan to the other. What was the motivation to change firms?

2:02.0

I think the motivation was to stay in the strategy and research. Of course, there are other material

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