1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

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🗓️ 15 April 2025

⏱️ 99 minutes

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Summary

Why do mass shootings occur? Trigger Points author Mark Follman explains warning signs, behavioral assessment, and how to stop attacks before they happen.

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What We Discuss with Mark Follman:

Mass shootings are not random events, but involve a "pathway to violence" where perpetrators plan their attacks over time, showing warning signs that create opportunities for intervention.
Mental illness is not the primary cause of mass shootings. While mental health issues may be present, perpetrators are typically making deliberate choices driven by factors like anger, isolation, and perceived grievances rather than psychosis.
Many mass shooters seek notoriety and are influenced by previous attackers through emulation behavior — they want to transform from nobody to somebody through violence and media attention.
Warning signs that appear before attacks often include threatening communications, research/planning behaviors, significant life stressors, and social isolation — but these must be evaluated collectively rather than as a checklist.
Behavioral threat assessment teams offer an effective prevention approach by bringing together mental health professionals, law enforcement, and educators to identify at-risk individuals and provide constructive interventions like counseling, education support, and family involvement — showing that these tragedies can be prevented with the right collaborative approach.
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0:00.0	Coming up next on the Jordan Harbinger Show.
0:03.2	Why do mass shooters look to previous shooters for inspiration and sometimes for tactical ideas, too?
0:11.0	What I call in the book, emulation behavior, it's known as the copycat problem.
0:14.9	But they're also looking for a way to get attention.
0:17.7	They want notoriety. They want to be known.
0:19.7	They want to be a somebody instead of a nobody,
0:21.9	because they feel like nobody. Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. On the Jordan
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1:11.6	slash start or search for us in your spotify app to get started. Today my guest Mark
1:16.2	Fulman on school shootings and other mass shootings. This is a horrific problem. It's kind of a
1:21.3	little bit of a depressing topic to do a show on. I was a little hesitant at first. Actually,
1:25.8	this conversation turned out amazing.
1:33.3	It's an almost uniquely American problem, or is it? Either way, this problem isn't or shouldn't be as impossible to solve as it seems to be. Turns out that gun control is not the whole story here.
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