We all just have the most natural desire to be nourished and partake in this world through eating this world.

And so when you've become the intermediary between that, you own that person.

I mean, if you're a person with a really big heart and a lot of love to give and a desire to help people

and make the world a better place that can make you really vulnerable.

If you are not well, you better put every scrap of measly scrap of energy you have into

fighting for yourself, loving yourself enough to

care for yourself and nourish yourself.

Welcome to episode 115. This is my fourth interview with my close friend, Dr. Susie Hazen.

If you haven't heard her before, the doctor refers to her

doctorate in traditional Chinese medicine, one of the most helpful frameworks I have come across.

Susie and I have known each other for a long time, 2008. How long is that? 17 years? And she was

wearing a turban when I first met her because she was in Kundalini. I listened to the interview

to hear what name she was going by. I think it's the prettiest Kundalini name I've ever heard.

And though I remember when she stopped wearing the turban and when she went back

to her birth name of Susie, I guess we've never really talked about her reason for leaving, even though

we've spent so much of these last 17 years talking about nourishment and all its forms. So I loved

that part of this conversation. And I think you'll find it really interesting, too.

There are two Patreon bonuses that go along with this episode.

Okay, so the first one's an extended conversation between me and Sue's,

in which I share with her the reaction to my last episode,

number 114, all about German new medicine, the magical thinking and cultiness within that framework.

I have not had such a large response to an episode ever as far as comments and private messages go.

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