115: The 2023 Israel-Gaza Conflict: What Next? With Sir Tom Beckett and Emile Hokayem of the International Institute for Strategic Studies
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🗓️ 17 October 2023
⏱️ 39 minutes
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Summary
After the attack by Hamas and the ensuing conflagration, we welcome two seasoned Middle East thinkers from the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS).
We attempt to disentangle the key forces at work and the motives. In the context of the wider Abraham Accords and Biden’s push for a Saudi/Israeli détente, we discuss how international relations in the region may evolve as a result of the conflict.
We discuss the intelligence failure, the contextual backdrop, the competing powers, and what may lie ahead for key actors in the fractured region.
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| 0:00.0 | The Israelis are motivated by a desire to punish Amas and then restore deterrence and re-establish a sense of |
| 0:07.7 | security for their population. That's going to be their driver. Hamas clearly expects the |
| 0:12.9 | escalation and what they're going to want, if not to achieve a wider war, but to certainly get |
| 0:19.7 | wider Arab and international sympathy for their plight. |
| 0:24.0 | Welcome to the Money Maze podcast. I'm Simon Brewer, and Will Campion and I have created this show |
| 0:29.9 | to explore and unravel some of the mysteries surrounding the investment business. |
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| 0:44.5 | you to tell a friend or colleague about it. Thank you for listening. There are certain geopolitical |
| 0:50.3 | developments that need to be examined in an objective and timely manner for their profound |
| 0:55.3 | strategic ramifications. Israel and the West Bank, following the events that began after Hamas's |
| 1:00.3 | attack on Saturday, is one such occurrence. How best to approach and distill a complex situation |
| 1:06.5 | becomes the next question. And we're forever grateful at the Money Mace podcast to our network of |
| 1:11.1 | supporters and listeners. One friend Johnny Gray, partner at Ankura, and former Colonel in British Army, |
| 1:16.4 | made the introduction to our guest today. So we're going to Muscat, and we're here in London, |
| 1:22.0 | to listen to the perspectives of two seasoned Middle Eastern thinkers, both working for the International Institute for Strategic |
| 1:29.0 | Studies, I-I-I-S. And for those not familiar with that organisation, for 65 years, they have |
| 1:35.7 | been helping shape the strategic agenda for governments and businesses, have offices around the world |
| 1:40.8 | and are experts in helping clients calibrate risk and outcomes, and we'll be |
| 1:45.2 | featuring more details of them when we release the show notes. Now, turning to our guests, Sir Tom Beckett |
| 1:50.8 | and Emil Hokkaim. First of all, I'm going to say welcome both of you to the podcast, and thank you |
| 1:56.4 | much for being here. I'm going to do the quick recap. Tom, you were a Lieutenant General in the British |
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