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The Dr Louise Newson Podcast

132 - The benefits and pitfalls of evidence based medicine with Jonathan Underhill

The Dr Louise Newson Podcast

Dr Louise Newson

Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Medicine

4.8798 Ratings

🗓️ 28 December 2021

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Pharmacist, Jonathan Underhill is a consultant clinical advisor for the Medicines Optimisations team at the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE). His work is focussed on evidence-based medicine but, as he explains, this is more than simply telling people what to do. One of the particular focuses of Jonathan’s work is the process known as ‘shared decision making’ between the clinician and the patient and he’s interested in how you involve a person in choices and decisions about their own healthcare. Jonathan outlines some of the reasons NICE was originally set up – to reduce uncertainty and variation in prescribing – and with Louise, he evaluates whether this has been the outcome 6 years down the line, after the release of the NICE guidelines on menopause diagnosis and management. Jonathan’s tips for shared decision making as a patient: It’s OK to ask questions. If you need it, take someone with you that you trust who can listen and advocate for you And for healthcare professionals: David Haslam’s (former Chair of NICE) consultation skills advice for doctors were basically ‘shut up and listen, show empathy, and know something’. If you can do these 4 things well it will make a big difference Practice your conversation skills as a clinician. You can learn to communicate better with your patients. The NICE guidelines on menopause can be read in full here and more about shared decision making can be found here. If you are a healthcare professional, the following link offers 4 hours of free online learning in shared decision making from NICE and Keele University: https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng197/resources/shared-decision-making-learning-package-9142488109

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Dr. Louise Newsome and welcome to my podcast. I'm a GP and menopause specialist and I run the Newsome Health Menopause and Wellbeing Centre here in Stratford-Bron-Avon. I'm also the founder of the Menopause charity and the Menopause support app called Balance.

0:29.9

On the podcast, I will be joined each week by an exciting guest to help provide evidence-based

0:36.5

information and advice about both the perimenopause and the

0:40.9

menopause.

0:45.5

So today in the podcast I have with me Jonathan Underhill, who was very kindly introduced to me

0:50.5

recently and he's a pharmacist, but he's also a consultant clinical advisor for the

0:55.7

Medicines Optimisation Team at Nice which is the National Institute of Health and Care Excellence

1:00.9

and it's a real honour actually to talk to you because I got in touch with you about some guidelines

1:06.3

which we'll talk about but before we talk about those Jonathan I'd just like to say, welcome to the podcast.

1:11.8

Hello, Louise. And just, that's a bit of a mouthful. So medicine's optimization team,

1:16.8

you actually said MOT, which for most people, it's about their car, is it really? Just explain,

1:23.4

if you don't mind, like what your role is with this and how you got into that, if that's okay?

1:28.1

Sure, yes. So it's obviously nice, as you say, as the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence.

1:32.8

We are the organisation funded by the Department of Health, who we aim to reduce uncertainty

1:39.7

and try and reduce variation in care. So we produce clinical guidelines where we look at the evidence that's out there for particular

1:48.6

how you treat, diagnose, manage different conditions,

1:52.8

and create recommendations that are aimed to help clinicians to make better decisions

1:58.3

for the patients under their care.

1:59.9

And we also will do health technology assessments.

2:02.6

If a new medicine comes to market,

2:04.6

then what we will do is we look at the evidence for that technology,

2:08.6

do a cost-effectiveness analysis of it,

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