1504: The Red Collar Killer part 2

PRETEND

Javier Leiva

True Crime, Society & Culture, Technology

4.7 • 2.2K Ratings

🗓️ 28 November 2023

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Today on "PRETEND," we explore the unsettling world of red-collar criminals, as defined by Frank Perri. These are white-collar offenders who commit murder to hide their frauds. This episode takes a closer look at the motivations and warning signs of these dangerous individuals. They could be closer than you think: a friend, family member, or coworker. We also investigate how male and female red-collar criminals differ in their methods and motivations. Understanding these distinctions is crucial in recognizing and possibly preventing future red-collar crimes. Red Collar White Collar Crime: Corporate, Predatory and Violent Fraud Offenders by Frank Perri: https://www.amazon.com/Red-Collar-White-Crime-Corporate/dp/B09BGLZ7XL PRETEND Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/pretendradio/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Creative Apple.
0:07.0	Last year, New Year's 2022, I got the strangest call. It was from a serial killer.
0:20.0	I want to be really clear that I don't feel like a serial killer.
0:25.0	You know, and when I think of the word serial killer,
0:31.0	of a person who's a serial killer.
0:32.8	I think of a guy like Ted Bundy or a person who does things
0:38.2	for compulsion or emotional needs, emotional reasons.
0:45.0	And I, myself, I'm not a person who has any bloodlust. These terrible things I did, I did, you know,
0:50.0	starting about 15 years ago, and I was just a heartless cold-blooded asshole who hurt and killed people for money.
0:58.0	You know, I don't have a compulsion to kill people or a desire necessarily to do that.
1:06.7	I interviewed William Holbert for my other podcast, Criminal Conduct, and almost every night
1:10.9	for a couple of weeks, Holbert would call me from his burner phone
1:14.7	hidden inside his jail cell.
1:16.6	We spoke so often that we ended up getting seven episodes out of it.
1:20.5	William Holbert, who is best known as Wild Bill, murdered five American expats in the country of Panama.
1:27.0	And my goal was to get a detailed confession out of him.
1:31.0	It's not like I ever, like, hey, come here, I'm going to kill you.
1:34.7	None of that thing, nothing like that ever happened to anybody.
1:37.5	I always shot people in the back of the head when they weren't looking.
1:41.0	Nobody ever knew that it was going to happen.
1:43.0	Wild Bill killed these people, including a family, with a teenage boy, in order to steal the
1:48.8	deed to their property. His victims were ex-patts who moved to the country of Panama to get away from it all.
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