Creative Battle. Laudana, can you hear me? Oh wait, I can't hear you all the sudden. Can you hear me now?

My conversation with Laudana Humphrey started off with a little bit of tech problems, but we eventually figured it out.

Hey, it's so nice to meet you. We have so many friends in common. I can't believe it's taking us this long to actually get to know one another.

Well I'm excited to meet you when I got your text this morning I sent it to

Jason and I said is this real?

Oh it's real very real. When I reached out to Lydana Humphrey, she didn't respond immediately. Instead, she contacted our mutual friend

Jason to make sure that it was really me contacting her.

I'm excited to meet you. I am a big fan of your work, so yeah.

Well, thank you.

All right, now that the Pleasantries are out of the way. Let's get down to business. I had six pages of questions for Lydana all queued up. I never imagined that I would get through the whole thing. I figured she would just hang up the moment things got a little spicy

but she didn't in fact our call lasted 52 minutes in today's episode in today's

episode you're going to hear my conversation with Laddana Humphrey.

Hear what she has to say about some of these accusations made against her.

And we're going to hear from some of her supporters.

I'm Javier Lava and this is Pretend.

Stories about real people,

pretending to be someone else. Oh, Oh, You're going to be. I think we should just start with the Melissa Witt stuff because it's a really

interesting case it's like the case that's defined your career wouldn't you say?

I would think so yeah a joke with people that you know I've done this almost a decade

for her case and sometimes even marriages don't last that long.

So, yeah, it's been a long time, you know.

You're a lot of things.

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