Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of Mormon Stories podcast. I'm your host,

John DeLin. It is October 16, 2023. And we are here in part three of our interview with Josh

and Kim Coffin. Hey, y'all. How's it going? Thanks for joining us back again. We have been covering

this week, sort of the fallout from the Ruby Frankie, eight passengers, Jody Hildebrand, Tim

Ballard, OUR, Chad Debell, Laurie Valow, just sort of disaster that's been befalling Mormonism

over the past year. I call it Mormon neofundamentalism. Others call it Mormon Preparism. And we've been

covering all the connections to this book, Visions of Glory, written by a man named Tom Harrison,

who is a therapist here in Utah, along the Wasatch front. And we're not going to be, we've covered

in parts one and two, Kim and Josh's Mormon stories, Kim being raised by kind of Prepar Mormon

parents, Josh being raised by more traditional Idaho believing faithful Mormon parents,

and their marriage and then eventually their experiences with Kim's dad, who still is a leader

of an online Mormon internet, Prepar group called a Val. And it's relationship and Kim's dad's

relationship with Chad Debell and the Prepar movement and his responsibility in helping make

Chad Debell and Julie Row and eventually Laurie Valow what they became. And we are now on part three

and part three is Margie's favorite part, right Margie? I'm here for it. And also the part that Josh and

Kim are most excited about, which is the healing and growth that comes after deconstruction for

Mormonism or from a high-demand religion. So where we left off in part two was them starting to

question their faith as they found out that the friend that Kim's dad had defended Chad Debell

is likely according to allegations, the murder or complicit in the murder of his own wife

and possibly complicit or at least aware of the murder. The murders of Laurie Valow's two children

and or at least one ex-husband and her brother, a bunch of murder and mayhem

and this causing Kim after her dad defends Chad Valow and then has to correct his error.

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