I'm here with James Grine. He was originally identified just as James in the New York Times and he is an abuse victim of ex-cardinal Theodore McCarick. This is a heroic moment for James to come out and to

tell his story and also reveal a lot of things that we never knew about X Theodore

Cardinal McCarick.

So James, thanks for being here with me today.

Thank you, Dr. Marshall.

I'm really appreciative of your generosity

to let me come here today and I hope to reach out to many people and

have them save some souls today.

Good good yeah I saw your your speech that you gave. to that was

you gave outside the USCCB that was put on with Michael Vorous and Alan Keys

and a bunch of other people and I was really impressed by that and I just see an example of heroic virtue in

you and coming out and talking about something that's that's not comfortable but

it's absolutely important and really the conversation that we're having as

Catholics right now in America and globally are thanks to you who came out and

told your story about years and years of abuse under Theodore McCarick.

And before we talk about that and you share your thoughts about that, I'd like for people

just to be introduced to you to who is James Grine.

Oh, I'm James Grine who had a pretty good childhood. Now I have a really great life at 33 I stopped drinking and using drugs and I really

turned to Jesus Christ to help me to get there because there was no person on

earth who was ever going to help me stop using my garbage of alcohol and drugs.

And I was able to join into a fellowship of people who understood exactly what to do and I followed them.

And today I live a happy joys of free life.

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