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What I was surprised by this is imagination,

what's easy for you to say as a white man,

but if I go or my friend goes as a person of color, you know, their lives will be in danger.

I'm like, well, you know what, I've got even worse news than that.

There are a lot of people of color at those Trump rallies.

They are majority white. They're. It's a white supremacist movement, but it draws as a gravitational force that can pull in other people. So I think beyond horseshoe, beyond diagonal, think of it like a black hole.

Think about an exhilarating movement. Think about the power of spectacle to draw people in and for people

to find their own interpretation or their own meaning within this really vast ugliness.

I feel like I'm missing out because it seems like everyone is either starting a side hustle or becoming

their own boss and you know what they're hearing a lot.

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