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Do you get weird or that when or do podcast now?

No.

Is there a time in the beginning when you did?

Where you're like, okay, here we go. Yeah, I suppose at the beginning it was nerve-wracking but I also think I have

a really weird relationship with fear I guess and so I think I have reason to think that in places where

I'm particularly anxious some part of me feels it but my conscious mind is not allowed in on it so I can do what I have to do.

Mmm. Did this come after Evergreen or before?

Definitely before, although right as Evergreen erupted into the public consciousness,

there's this one incident, actually the incident that brought me to public attention where I was standing in the hallway and I was being confronted by these 50

students who I had literally never met and they were accusing me of racism and

demanding that I resign or be fired.

We should explain to people that don't know because we were starting off this way.

The backstory of the Evergreen, so it started off where there was an appreciation day for people of color

where they did not have to show up for work, right?

Yeah, that's true. That's not exactly the story, but there is this event called Day of

Absence, which was a longstanding event at the college where basically at first black people and then later on more generally

people of color did not come to work and they held discussions separately.

And then in 2017, they changed this to a request that white people not come to campus and I responded to this and I said that was unacceptable. This was a public

college I wasn't going to be told I couldn't teach my class and that did cause a bit of a

firestorm but that firestorm was embedded in a much longer battle

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