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Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

1948 - with Benny Morris (Part 1)

Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

Ark Media

Society, Foreign Policy, Geopolitics, Israel, News Commentary, News, Politics, Elections, Palestine, Dan Senor, Government

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 1 March 2024

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

PART 1 of 2 For more than 30 years of ‘on again-off again’ peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians, many Israelis, and certainly most interested observers in the West, looked to the 1967 Six-Day War as the root cause of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. If only we could reverse the results of that defensive war in which Israel conquered the West Bank and Gaza, the problem would be solved, so the narrative goes. And this served as the basis for all peace talks and agreements that have taken place since. But, to anyone willing to listen, the story that Palestinian leaders were telling had nothing to do with 1967, and everything to do with 1948. And the story they tell goes something like this: ‘In the 1940s Jews escaped the Nazis, fled Europe, colonized Palestine, and unprovoked - ethnically cleansed the Arabs. A textbook case of settler colonialism.’ They have managed to propagate this false narrative throughout much of Western society, where millions are mindlessly chanting those six words - ‘from the river to the sea.’ So while we never thought we’d need to re-litigate this topic, we invited to the podcast (for a special two-part discussion) one of the quintessential historians of 1948 - Benny Morris. Professor Morris has dedicated his entire career to studying and writing about the war of 1948, the circumstances that led to it and its aftermath - i.e The Palestinian Refugee Problem. Morris's first book was “The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949”. His other books include: “1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War”, and “Righteous Victims: A History of the Zionist-Arab Conflict, 1881-2001”. He completed his undergraduate studies in history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and received a doctorate in modern European history from the University of Cambridge. Links to all of Benny Morris’s books can be found here: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/s/Benny%20morris His recent published essays can be found here: https://quillette.com/author/benny-morris/?gad_source=1

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The Zionist movement cleverly through the 20s and 30s and 40s had established what amounted to a state within a state inside under the British mandate.

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In other words, the British government ruled Palestine but the Jewish community also ruled

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itself. It taxed itself, it had its own education system, its own economy, its own self-defense force, the Hagana, established the rudiments of statehood in the decades before leading up to 1948.

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The Arabs of Palestine hadn't done that. They hadn't prepared themselves for statehood during the 20s, 30s and 40s.

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All they done is fight against the Jews, but they didn't establish an infrastructure for statehood, which was of course to cost them dearly in 48

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because they lost the war party because they were unprepared for statehood and for

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war making come the war that they launched. At 6 p.

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It's 6 p.m. on the

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on Thursday, February 29th in New York City. It is 1 a.m. on Friday

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March 1st in Israel. For more than 30 years of on again off again peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians,

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most people in Israel and certainly most people in the West who observed this conflict

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looked to the 1967 war as the root cause of the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

1:26.0

If only we could reverse the results of that 1967 ward which Israel conquered the West Bank in Gaza, the West Bank up until

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1967, had been occupied by Jordan in Gaza, up until 1967, had been occupied by

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Egypt, the problem would be solved. Israel could get out of the way and the Palestinians could

1:45.6

build their state. This, after all, served as the basis for all peace talks and interim diplomatic

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agreements that have taken place since.

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But this was a mirage, a story viewed through Western eyes

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and imposed on a people, the Palestinians, who wanted nothing to do with this story.

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As a reminder, in the year 2000, Palestinians who wanted nothing to do with this story.

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As a reminder, in the year 2000,

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Yasheraafat refused to that offer by then Israeli Prime Minister

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