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This Scotland Outdoors podcast from BBC Radio Scotland.

It is wonderful to be in a room with so many people who place so much value on Scotland's rights of access, rights of responsible access, who value Scotland's.

Scottish Environment Minister Mari Macallan, speaking at the celebration of 20 years of outdoor access rights, which took place at the Parliament

in Edinburgh recently. It was organised by the walking organisation Ramblers Scotland, who were

deeply involved in ensuring this legislation, the Land Reform Act of 2003, came to pass. It took years of campaigning and discussion to persuade legislators,

landowners and managers that everyone in Scotland should have the right to roam freely in a responsible

manner. I'm Helen Needham and in this edition of Scotland Outdoors, I hear from the people who were directly

involved in that process, and from others who were looking ahead to how things could be even more accessible in the future.

Let's begin with Bob Reed, a man with so many outdoor hats, we don't have time to list them all here.

In the run-up to the Landreform Act being

passed, he was president of the Mountaineering Council and also working with Grampian Regional

Council. When you said, what was it like and what do you remember, there was just one moment. I

mean, I hadn't been long into office, into my post at Grampian Region, when I got a phone call from a counsellor

because a tourist brochure had landed on every counsellor in Grampion's desk, and it had come

from Norway.

And the big headline right across the front of it was free access.

And there was a set of pictures in this brochure that looked for all the world like Scotland

and all of them were up in arms about why is this here what's going on and we had to explain to

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