Let's start this thing off by sort of giving you a soft introduction.

You're a theoretical physicist.

I've been doing this your whole life.

Yes.

You were contacted by the CIA in the 70s, is that right, to work on some stuff with

consciousness and flying saucers in the 70s.

Yeah.

And actually, even a little bit before that, but that's a complex story.

Right, right.

And then your early childhood, can you explain what was going on in your

early childhood when you got that phone call that one night from who called you? Yeah, well, I should go back

before that. Okay. Because when I was about seven or eight, I guess my parents in in Brooklyn got divorced, and I went to live with my

maternal grandparents in the Bronx. And my grandfather was working for the U.S. Army. And he was

just like a chauffeur. He would drive out of the Garment District, the

quartermaster core, and he would drive these offices around, whatever they were doing,

you know, acquisition of material uniforms in the Garmin District. So I would go down there a lot,

and it was an interesting situation. In fact, I spent a lot of time there

and they gave me free reign of the place as a kid. You know, eight, 10 year old kid, I would, you know,

run around. They had all these great laboratories and they had cold weather lab and a hot weather

lab and this and you know and stuff and

I was like play there and then I um I sometimes would drive around with my grandfather

driving the car sitting in the back of this army vehicle with these army offices like talking

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