How many robberies you end up doing?

Not enough.

Okay.

Not enough.

And especially for what happened.

What happened?

Well...

Once you then get exposed to a criminal world and criminal existence,

very few people escape those clutches.

What sort of robberies are you doing?

Banks, security vans.

You know, I, been successful.

There's going to come a time when the wheels come completely fall off.

Then it became the worst day of our lives and even worse for someone else, you know.

But back then you had some major, major villains as they were back then.

There's names I can't even mention to you that are in the shadowlands.

Their morals and principles were higher than most people I've ever come across.

One of the things I had Donald Arsinger, I was observing them.

I treated it like as a human zoo.

50% of prisoners, they're there as oil and petrol to keep the system going.

Who instigated organising a helicopter to land in the prison for an escape?

Right.

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