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What's up? What's up? Good, man? Hey, good.

Thanks for coming here.

Appreciate it.

Yeah, yeah, no, it's a pleasure.

You've been on a whirlwind sort of tour.

I guess we should start from the beginning. Yeah. So first of all

lay out to people what your job was with the military and how this all started for you.

Yeah, yeah.

So I was an intel officer in the Air Force for 14 years, seven active, seven reserve.

Then I kind of had like a parallel track in the civilian intel world when I became a reservist.

And ultimately I got brought back in in civil service in a government way at the National Geospatial

Intelligence Agency a couple years ago at a senior level.

So I was a major in the Air Force in a GS-15 at NGA, which is like a full. S. 15 at N. G. A. A.

which is like a full bird kernel equivalent civilian employee.

You know, I'm very humbled that I was able to kind of get that kind of job.

But my career mostly, I didn't even really think about this topic

UFOs were not on my radar. I wasn't really a believer. I was agnostic about it

most of my career I did a lot of behind the door special access program

technical type activities. I was kind of a space intelligence expert, a cyber intel expert.

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