Hi, I'm Joseph Fink, podcaster and novelist, and this is the show where I talk with John

Darniel, singer and songwriter of the band The Mountain Goats, about what it means to be a fan, to be an artist, and to be both of those things at once.

We are going song by song through the brand new Mountain Goats album in League with Dragons. And today we talk about one of my favorite

songs on the album, Cle cake for five, apple cake for eight, doesn't conditions

for 16 bucks.

Why are they doing Rosh shot of stuff in August?

Because you get your orders in. Apparently. Feels like supermarkets have the

rush of shot displays out earlier and earlier. Yeah it's tough where I live at the nearest synagogue is like 40 minute drive away.

Oh, wow, do you go?

Are you a Saturday morning guy?

No, I haven't gotten quite a while.

We don't know.

Making I do like a Shabbat at home.

Oh, that's cool.

She's gotten real good at making at home. That's cool. She's gotten real good at making

chala. That's good. I was very mad when I made much of all soup and the kids

didn't care. But they expect, hala, they like full on that that's their thing, right? Oh and Bobco we buy a lot of Bobco at the

that the Leman JCC. So here's a deal. As is known I wrote a funny song back the last the mountain goats began having a lot of songs had punchlines for laugh lines and I was all my way out of doing that and then my friend Paul Lucas

who did a genius scene called beer frame about products, said he was putting out a CD,

wanted me to be on board,

when I write a song about some kind of product.

So I wrote about these peanuts called Golden Boy peanuts that, you they weren't actually that good but I sang about

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