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Battleground

22. The Cyber War

Battleground

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🗓️ 6 January 2023

⏱️ 49 minutes

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The unseen conflict happening in cyberspace is a key battleground in the war in Ukraine. So to tell us in detail about a relatively unknown area of the conflict, we spoke to one of Britain’s greatest experts, David Alexander - an academic who has worked at very senior level on the development of both national cyber policy and operational capability for both the UK Government and Ministry of Defence. Patrick and Saul also discuss Putin's New Year's speech, the Ukrainian HIMARS strike in Makiivka, and answer some listeners questions. Producer: James Hodgson Twitter: @PodBattleground Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:18.4

Well, it got off to a dark start with Vladimir Putin's traditional New Year address to the Russian people.

1:24.2

Putin's words gave little hope that Russian strategy is likely to change anytime soon.

1:29.2

Instead, he doubled down on the war rhetoric, telling Russians that the conflict in Ukraine

1:33.3

was an existential struggle forced on them by Western aggression and won which they had no choice

1:39.1

but to win. The speech came as Russia suffered yet more casualties on the battlefield in a series of successful Ukrainian strikes that left many dead.

1:48.4

Well, body counts are just one element in how this war is playing out.

1:52.3

And today we'll be hearing in detail about another fascinating facet of what's going on.

1:57.7

That's the huge struggle being fought out in cyberspace. And to tell us all about it is one of

2:03.6

Britain's greatest experts, David Alexander, who's an academic, but who's also worked at a very

2:09.2

senior level on the development of both national cyber policy and operational capability,

2:15.0

both for the British government and for the British Ministry of Defence.

2:19.2

But first, what do you think about that speech, all?

2:22.0

Well, it was a sort of combination of the usual same-old, same-old, but also quite chilling

2:26.9

when we consider it in the round. But let's talk a little bit about the detail. He talked in

2:31.4

it about difficult but necessary decisions, Obviously, he means going to war,

2:36.0

about the need to restore full Russian sovereignty, which is a very clear indication that Ukraine

2:41.8

comes within Russian sovereignty, and that's not just a bit of Ukraine, that's all Ukraine.

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