Hello, and welcome to Under the Skin from Luminary. This week I spoke with Fern cotton. Fern has returned once again to Under the Skin to discuss her new book bigger than that. Why laugh it?

I'm doing this really well bigger than us. This is not good out of this.

Bigger than us. The power of finding meaning in a messy world. In this episode we discuss Fern's work and the spiritual lesson she's learned throughout her career.

Her podcast are right in realsus, it's the Beatles. This is a really good gen.

Archaeopol energy and the importance of having conversations that go deeper. Now that Under the Skin is on Apple Podcasts, which you put in our range for some reason, please leave a review there. It helps us and we will read them out.

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In this part coming up, we talk about Fern and her life and her trying to experiment with the idea of how can I be and with the Beatles documentary, you chose that bit, did you?

Well, it's a bit where it says how can I be me. What's she's at bit? Because she seemed very engaged.

But she's like this is important because she's not herself in a lot of situations.

Okay, the Beatles thing was authentic, she said. She's okay mate.

Oh my god, good. Let's have a listen.

Trying to achieve a quality with the annihilation of category is not a successful route.

That's exactly right. We're in this era where it turns out we were never the boss.

What's beneath the surface of people with my ideas that define our time, the history we're told?

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You know, I've been thinking so much about creativity recently having just written a book and now in the depths of writing another one.

And I guess why I've been so drawn to that Beatles documentary is because they were at that stage after however many albums in they were at that point.

This is obviously their last album they made. They were at a sort of fearless point where they had stripped back so many layers.

And they had been, you know, through so much craziness globally that they're at a point where there was no other choice but to just be themselves.

They didn't have to be like the kind of teeny pop guys who all the girls were chasing anymore with a little neat bowl haircuts.

They didn't have to do crazy clothing like in Sergeant Pepper.

They just sort of rocked up to Twickenham Studios all then that their headquarters are Apple as themselves.

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