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And me, William Durunpool.

Now, in this relay race through Mughal history, we are now at a point where the baton

is passed to Aurangzeb. Can I just say, I mean, William, can we have a chat about how very divisive even that name is? Because first of all, we say Orangzeb. Everyone knows him as Orangzeb, which is his princely name. You know, we took great pains to say, Corum, who will soon become Shah Jahar. Well, you know, Orangzeb doesn't

stay Orangzeb. He becomes Emperor Alamgir. But people don't talk about him as Alamgear.

They still give him almost as if it's a demotion or an insult to say, look, just Karen

I'm calling him Orangzeb, because there is such strong feeling, such a cultural, if you like, over that person, the name and the history?

Absolutely. I mean, he is in many ways the most hated figure and the kind of most demonised figure

in all of Indian history. It's not too much an exaggeration to say that. And the road that was

named after him by the British in New Delhi only, I think three three or four years ago was renamed after Abdul Cullum,

a recent president.

So there is no Orang Zem Road in Delhi anymore.

And a lot of this comes, I think, because although he has traditionally always been seen as this cruel and bigoted fellow who is held responsible for destroying temples,

for killing one of the great gurus of the Sikhs, and we'll go into both those things in more

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