223. Cruelty | Charles Joseph

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🗓️ 3 February 2022

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As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: All JBP Podcast episodes ad-free Monthly Ask-Me-Anything episodes (and the ability to ask questions) Presale access to events Premium show notes for future episodes Sign up here: https://jordanbpeterson.supercast.com This episode was recorded on November 10th, 2021. Charles Joseph is a Kwakwaka’wakw artist known for his masks, totem poles, and canoes. His work can be found in homes and businesses worldwide, including mine. His “Residential School Totem” stands before the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts for “all Canadians, not just residential school survivors.” It represents Charles’ “reconciliation” and his “story is on the pole.” Charles’ carving homepage https://charlesnativeart.ca Facebook page https://facebook.com/charlesjosephnativeart _______________ Approximate Timestamps _______________ [00:00] Intro [02:21] Charles’ background [03:36] Backstory: Jordan’s first non-native friend [09:59] Tough times at residential school; finding enough to eat [12:35] Being locked in as punishment [14:14] Isolation and treatment by so-called Christians; rejecting religion [16:35] Unmarked graves at Canadian residential schools [19:29] Jordan asks what could motivate such cruelty towards innocent children [22:08] Leaving & coming of age [22:19] Blaming the world [30:08] Charles describes more of what happened to him at residential school [34:24] Looking in the mirror [36:11] His grandparents’ influence [41:26] Creative process & dreams [47:08] The spiritual effect of art & culture [48:03] Carving as a personal church [49:38] History and cultural significance of specific elements in Charles’ art [54:36] The 55-foot totem pole sculpture [01:04:07] Seeking out the meaningful and positive [01:09:07] The Residential School Totem at the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts [01:11:11] Reconciliation [01:17:26] Accused of racism and welcomed into a new family in 24 hours [01:20:15] Wrapping up #ResidentialSchool #Art #Native #Carving #Canada // SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL // Newsletter: https://linktr.ee/DrJordanBPeterson Donations: https://jordanbpeterson.com/donate // COURSES // Discovering Personality: https://jordanbpeterson.com/personality Self Authoring Suite: https://selfauthoring.com Understand Myself (personality test): https://understandmyself.com // BOOKS // Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life: https://jordanbpeterson.com/Beyond-Order 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos: https://jordanbpeterson.com/12-rules-for-life Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief: https://jordanbpeterson.com/maps-of-meaning // LINKS // Website: https://jordanbpeterson.com Events: https://jordanbpeterson.com/events Blog: https://jordanbpeterson.com/blog Podcast: https://jordanbpeterson.com/podcast // SOCIAL // Twitter: https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson Instagram: https://instagram.com/jordan.b.peterson Facebook: https://facebook.com/drjordanpeterson // SPONSORS // For Advertising Inquiries, visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheJordanBPetersonPodcast

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0:00.0	Welcome to season four episode 80 of the JBP podcast. I'm Michaela Peterson. This is an intense
0:07.2	episode. Today's guest is Charles Joseph, the first native friend, Dad Made in Canada,
0:12.8	and unfortunately one of its victims. This was a deeply emotional conversation. Charles
0:18.0	talked about his experience in residential schools, the way he blamed the world after getting out,
0:23.2	rejecting religion, eventually finding God again, dreams, the meaning of reconciliation,
0:29.2	carving as a religious experience and more. Charles came to visit our house when I was a kid and
0:34.2	told me some of the things that's happened to him and it's awful. This is one of those episodes
0:38.6	everyone should hear. If you enjoy this episode or at least learn something, please subscribe.
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1:59.6	Hello, everybody. I'm pleased to be talking today with my friend and brother, Charles Joseph.
2:14.9	Charles is a member of the Quakwaqawat people who have lived for thousands of years on what is now
2:20.7	the west coast of the Canadian province of British Columbia. He's an accomplished artist who works
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