This is the Baymont podcast with Marty Solomon. I'm his co-host, Brent Billings. Today we explore the fourth and fifth chapters of understanding the Jewish roots of Christianity, discussing Paul's relationship to Jewish law and the atonement process we see in Hebrews.

Yeah, I feel like we just need to dive right in because I think there's plenty to talk about today. Brent Billings has read the chapters in preparation for today and I feel like we have more than enough things to talk about.

Yep, it's very exciting. So first essay is by David Rudolph titled was Paul championing a new freedom from or end to Jewish law.

So David Rudolph, PhD from Cambridge University, he's the director of Messianic Jewish Studies and a professor of New Testament and Jewish Studies at the King's University in Texas.

And he's written a whole bunch of awesome stuff, including this essay. So let's get into it. What does he have to say in this one?

Yeah, happens to be chapter four of the book that we're using. So if anybody wants a quick reference there, it's the fourth chapter. And then the next one will be the fifth chapter that we talk about today. But yeah, oh, I mean, I just have some stuff like some great quotes out of here right off the bat.

Is there anything new worth saying about the subject of Paul and the law? Many do not think so. And so the commentary is recycled the same arguments that have been made for almost 2000 years.

Dang, David Rudolph. Yeah, 2000 years of controversy summed up in a few few short pages here. He goes on. He says this one of my favorite paragraphs probably more than paragraph. But so I'm done.

Here is here is my little observation that actually makes a big difference. It's that among all the texts that address the issue of Paul and Jewish law, not all of these texts are created equal.

There are several texts that are way dear than the rest. And we should privilege these texts to followers of Jesus. I realize that this may sound highly unorthodox since we're used to thinking of all scripture being the same in value after all Paul himself says in second Timothy 316.

All scripture as God breathed. And while that's certainly true, I would argue that some parts of scripture have greater weight than others when weighing in on the subject of Paul's view of Jewish law as it applies to Jewish people.

He goes on. Varanix paragraph keep going the notion that some parts of scripture have greater weight than others is not foreign to Jewish thinking. In fact, it is normative. So it shouldn't be a shocker or a surprise to any of our listeners.

I think Brent, we talked about it at least a couple times. If not a few times throughout our study in the first five sessions that Jews obviously there was a way of interpreting the law, seeing all different commandments as weightier.

Like you're going to have to see things with in order to interpret the law and how to follow it appropriately. You're going to have to have a weight to it. But they also saw a weightiness in tonight. So in the three portions of scripture Torah, never he and Ketuvim each one of those had a different weight of importance.

So Torah was of primary importance, never he second and Ketuvim third. Now how much of it is inspired Brent? The whole thing. The whole thing is inspired all three parts. Torah, never he and Ketuvim. And yet they had different weights to them.

So if it comes from Moses, that has more weight than if it comes from Isaiah, which has more weight than if it comes from the Psalms, all of its inspired and yet there's a weightiness to it, which is foreign to our Western ears.

And yet that's the way that people like Paul and the apostles and Jewish thought saw scripture. So that's important. And you even see that. I think we showed throughout our study Brent a couple times.

We even showed how Jesus or Paul would even do this in the way that they used the Old Testament. You couldn't say something new from the Psalms. It wasn't already said in Torah. You couldn't undo Torah by using Psalms.

You'd have to interpret your Psalms through your Torah. And the same way, I think what David Rudolph is getting to hear, is that the same thing starts to apply with the New Testament.

I would give more weight and credence and importance and significance to the words of Jesus. I hope we all would. How much of it's inspired Brent? How much of the New Testament is inspired? All of it.

All of it. And yet I would give probably more weight to Jesus's teachings. Jesus' words than Paul. Like I'm not going to read my Jesus through my Paul, although most Christianity has.

I'm going to I'm going to want to read my Paul through my Jesus. I'm going to want to read my John through my Jesus, my revelation through my Jesus.

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