247: Creating Equal Partners Through Division of Labor with Eve Rodsky

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Motherhood, Cameronrogers, Freckledfoodie, Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Nutrition, Parenting

4.7 • 1.5K Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2024

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, I sit down with Eve Rodsky, creator, founder, and author of Fair Play: a life-management and household organization system. Eve and I discuss her feminist upbringing and how her experiences in the corporate world were inhospitable to motherhood, how she created the Fair Play system and why a “blueberry text” from her husband was the catalyst, and why it’s essential to change from the reactive to the systematic when implementing change. Eve talks about the burden of invisible work that women so often take upon themselves in the home, she explains how the Fair Play cards work, and we discuss listener feedback on the most difficult parts of the mental load. Finally, we talk about why it’s so hard to have these conversations with our partners, what defines a “unicorn space” versus other types of fun, and why it is essential for our happiness and longevity to create “I can’t fucking believe I just did that” moments in our lives.

Key Takeaway / Points:

Why I recommend Eve’s method to anyone who will listen
On “Fair Play,” Eve’s life-management and household organization method
Eve’s upbringing in a post-70s feminist wave
Eve’s experience as a young mother in the corporate world
Why America isn’t designed to support mothers
On the goal of being consistently interested in your own life
Why “hobbies” are not serving us
The “blueberry text” that led to Eve creating the Fair Play system
On changing from the reactive to the systematic
On invisible work and “The Shit I Do” spreadsheet
A deep dive into how the Fair Play cards work
Listener feedback on the most difficult parts of the mental load
Why it’s so difficult to have these conversations
Why society views women’s time as infinite
On the sanctity of “unicorn space”
On creating “I can’t fucking believe I just did that” moments for yourself

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0:00.0	The following podcast is a dear media production.
0:05.7	Hi, everyone. I'm Peyton Sarton, host of the Note to Self podcast. Note to Self is a space to embrace your unique qualities, get grounded, and ultimately have honest conversation. No topic is off limits.
0:17.5	I began doing social media seven years ago, and since then, I've started a clothing line and this podcast.
0:23.2	Note to Self is a place where people from every stage of life can come for advice, new perspectives,
0:27.8	and to feel a little less alone. Whether I'm recording by myself or bringing along a friend,
0:32.3	we will explore topics ranging from relationships and mental wellness to social media and
0:36.5	entrepreneurship.
0:41.2	Tune in to note to self every week for the sisterly advice you didn't know you needed and raw conversations you've always wanted.
0:44.3	If I could make one podcast episode a like mandatory listen for people who are either
0:53.2	about to have kids or have kids, especially if you're in a
0:57.1	heterosexual relationship for your male partner to listen to, it would be this one.
1:02.0	There is so much information and just like abundance of wisdom in this episode that I found
1:09.8	myself when we were editing it, listening over and over and over again and wanting to like, I want to promote the entire, I just want to make a clip of everything in this episode because I want to promote it over and over again because it's so fucking good. I am so honored to have Eve Rodski on the show today. If you don't know Eve, I refer to her as
1:30.5	like the ultimate queen of Division of Labor. Like she is my guru for this topic. And if you've
1:39.1	listened to the show before and if you follow me on social media, you know that I am a huge proponent of division
1:45.6	of labor. And I've done so many episodes on this. I've referenced it so many times. And with
1:50.1	this topic, I always referenced the fair play card deck that my husband and I did, where we sat down
1:55.9	and we, like, divided the tasks of who owns what. And it just freed up so much space in my brain and, like,
2:03.4	released a lot of the mental load. And it's my number one recommendation for anyone with children.
2:08.9	It would be ideal if you do it before you have the kid, but like it's never too late.
2:12.7	And Eve is the creator and the founder and author of Fairplay, which is a life management
2:17.4	and household organization system. She is absolutely fucking brilliant. Yeah. is the creator and the founder and author of Fairplay, which is a life management and
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