Nobody knows what happens to us when we die. We don't know.

This is Joe Wong. Welcome to the trap set.

During the age of social distancing, we're recording remotely and releasing new episodes every day.

Sidewalks are empty, the bars and cafes too. The street lights only changing, because they ain't got nothing better to do.

You say it's like Christmas when nobody's around.

When our city was still a secret before those carpet baggers came to town

the airport

today's guest is ben gibbard ben is best known as the vocalist and guitarist for death

cab for cutie and as co-founder of the Postal Service,

two bands that were at the vanguard of the mainstream's embrace of indie rock in the early 2000s.

Ben has also released solo albums and worked with artists such as Pinwheel, J. Ferrar, an all-time

quarterback. He spoke to me from his home in Washington State.

Sorry, I've got this like weird interference.

I've got, I get the local NPR affiliate through my, through my rig here for some reason.

Terry Gross's ghost is haunting you.

It's funny because it's, I'm getting a lot of it now for like, usually it's always been just kind of a little bit ghosted and I'm usually don't have to

I usually kind of work around it.

But for whatever reasons that I've been doing these live shows, it's been getting really loud.

So I just went right into my little audio interface here.

I kind of bypassed all the compressors and stuff.

So I got,

I got,

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