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So coming up is something that's quite opposite at the moment.

It's a fascinating chat with Anton, who's the director of the Ukrainian Institute for the Future,

which is an independent think tank, which forecasts changes and designs possible scenarios for Ukraine going forward.

I mean, it goes without saying this was recorded before all the recent developments,

but clearly it gives a window into what the Ukrainian stance is on any potential future peace deal.

So here it is. Enjoy. So thanks to Mark Neville, we've arrived at the Ukrainian Institute for the

future. We're down in the bowels of the building. And there's some rather fascinating bits of military kit, which will all become clear in a minute,

including one drone that's got a record on the top of it of at least 10, I think, Anton, 10 missions that the drone has done.

10 successful missions.

Successful missions. In 2022, interestingly enough. So this was one of the earliest pieces of kit used against the Russians.

Yeah, yeah.

When Ukraine didn't have enough equipment, we still don't have enough equipment.

But at that time, these drones were used to know.

It was the necessary scene for battlefield.

And we had only maybe 10 or 20 drones on front

plane, such drones. That's why this drone is a hero. Yeah. It's still alive.

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