The McKenna Academy is hosting the Wisdom of the Leaf Koka Summit in 2025, from February 3rd through the 7th at the Wilka Tika Retreat Center in the Sacred Valley of Peru, with dozens of biologists, doctors, and professionals coming together alongside Dennis McKenna. And now you can join the summit too. Just go to mckenna.combe to find more information on the COCA summit. And you can email annette at mackena.

dot academy for pricing and details be a part of the change and now enjoy this fantastic conversation

with dennis mckenna all right dennis thanks, man. Thank you for having me.

Of course.

I'm very excited to chat with you.

It's a pleasure.

I've been looking forward to this ever since you contacted.

So, so have I.

So have I.

Your book is absolutely fascinating.

The way it just, like, walks people through you and your brother's childhood and

growing up and essentially like how you guys were incubated into this world of of psychedelics

and you know the whole like 60s counterculture movements. And you know, I thought it was really cool how it was a very grounded backstory of how you guys came to be and how you guys are also so different, but also so similar.

Yes, we were very similar.

Of course, my brother was four years older than I was, and he was interested in all kinds of things.

And being the older sibling, he got all the attention, right?

And I was sort of in the background.

But he was such an interesting person. I wanted to be involved in everything that he was doing, you know, and I'm just the

pesky little brother, you know, sort of tagging along.

But sometimes, you know, it synced.

And we had, you know, since you've read the book, and by the way, I should mention with the book,

the copy I sent you is the original edition, 2012 edition. There's a new edition available now.

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