This is Jockel Podcast number 285 with Echo Charles and me, Jockel Willink.

Good evening, Echo.

Good evening.

And also joining us tonight, Dave Burke.

Good evening, Dave.

Good evening.

All right, so we are going to dive into some work that I have been waiting to dive into it.

I waited because I wanted to do it justice.

I waited because I wanted to be thorough in covering it.

I waited because there's a lot of work to cover.

And going into this particular book, books, series of books, articles, individual,

the more I read over the years, it got better and better and kept getting better and kept

making more sense to me from a tactical battle war perspective, from a leadership perspective.

From a how to lead perspective and also,

contractually, like a red cell type, how not to lead,

from a relationship leadership capital perspective and a jujitsu perspective.

So basically, I was just seeing everything in my life wrapped up in this particular,

this particular individual and his work.

And on top of that, so that there's another podcast that I've got waiting in the wings,

or it's going to take a series of podcasts, but it's waiting in the wings.

I'm super excited to do it, but I can't do that podcast until I do this podcast,

or at least this podcast, or at least a couple podcasts on this individual, this one man,

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