This is a Glassbox Media Podcast.

Welcome to Crawl Space. I'm Tim here today with Lance Lance. How are you today?

I couldn't be better Tim. It's a fantastic day. We have a fantastic interview about a subject that I didn't think I would ever be swayed to enjoy.

But I am 95% on the side of that enjoyment level now.

So that makes me feel good. Hope everyone out there is doing great. How are you Tim though? How are you you're sitting there on your beach your virtual beach?

Yeah, the virtual beach is real nice today Lance and I'm doing well over here and I love this conversation as well.

We definitely made some jokes about how you have spoken out publicly about how you don't appreciate the DB Cooper constant drip.

The mystery. The lore. The DB Cooper lore. I wasn't on board with for a long time.

Well, I get it. I mean, it's a historical thing and we're pretty victim focused with our true crime cases over here and this one is victimless.

You know, so it kind of is out of our. Wheel our natural wheelhouse, I guess I'll say, but it is fun to delve into these historical mysteries like DB Cooper on Thanksgiving Eve in 1971.

A man calling himself Dan Cooper skyjacked a Northwest Orient flight traveling from Portland to Seattle and our guest Lance Eric Ulyss has investigated the case for about 14 years.

And I read that right from his website at Eric Ulyss.com. He's got a ton of information about the case there.

And he delivers some nuggets of information during this interview that most people might not know if you haven't dug in as deep as he's dug in on the DB Cooper disappearance and the hijacking itself.

Including I don't want to give away any spoilers, but during this interview, I realized why I didn't like DB Cooper.

And it's not about DB Cooper at all. It's about treat Williams. So there's that in this interview. It was a refreshing moment personally for me. It felt like a weight was lifted and I was able to enjoy that again.

How very random Lance.

Well, I'm glad you are able to enjoy it again. And this conversation again is is really great. And yeah, Eric does come with some breaking news.

So make sure to follow Eric on social media. There are some links in the show notes. And there's also Cooper con coming up in 2022.

And Eric has written a report on the DB Cooper case. It's called Sky Ghost. You can get your copy today at Eric Ulyss.com.

And if you like what you hear from Eric on the DB Cooper disappearance and the whole mystery, he also contributes a bit to the Isabella Stewart Gardner museum heist.

So listen to his interviews on empty frames, our other show about that heist where he talks about his investigation into it.

And he also brings on a special guest who was the girlfriend of one of the suspects. And that is incredibly fascinating, especially because we've been doing empty frames for a few years now.

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