306: Steve Kramer and Steve Busch – Investigative Genetic Genealogy, Golden State Killer

FBI Retired Case File Review

Jerri Williams

True Crime, Interviews, Fiction, History, Fbi, Government, Truecrime

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🗓️ 10 January 2024

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

In part one of this two-part episode, retired Bureau attorney Steve Kramer and retired agent Steve Busch review how Kramer teamed up with Paul Holes, an investigator for the Contra Costa County Sheriff's Office, to use Investigative Genetic Genealogy to generate leads to identify the person known as the Golden State Killer.

Different law enforcement agencies spent 43 years trying to find the serial killer. Kramer and Holes took a different approach, and assembled a team that identified Joseph James DeAngelo as the infamous Golden State Killer after only 63 days. Kramer and Busch then teamed up at the Orange County Resident Agency at the Los Angeles Division to form the FBI’s first forensic genetic genealogy team.

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0:00.0	Welcome to episode 306 of FBI Retired Case File Review with Jerry Williams.
0:12.0	I'm a Retired on a mission to show you who the FBI is and what the FBI does
0:18.0	through my books, my blog, and my podcast case reviews with former colleagues.
0:24.0	Today we get to speak to retired Bureau attorney Stephen Kramer and retired
0:30.4	agent Stephen Bush. In part one of this two-part episode, Steve and
0:35.9	Steve review how Steve Kramer teamed up with Paul Holtz, an investigator for the
0:41.8	Contra Costa County Sheriff's Office to use
0:44.6	investigative genetic genealogy to generate leads to identify the person known as the Golden State Killer.
0:53.3	Prior to Kramer and Holtz working together,
0:56.4	15 different law enforcement agencies spent 43 years,
1:00.9	200,000 man hours, and 10 million dollars trying to figure out who was
1:06.8	responsible for the murders and rapes. Kramer and Holes took a different approach and
1:12.1	assembled and led a team of six people
1:15.0	spent $217 and identified Joseph James Deangelo as the infamous Golden State
1:22.4	killer after only 63 days.
1:25.8	After the successful resolution of that case,
1:29.4	Steve Kramer and Steve Bush teamed up at the Orange County Resident Agency out of the Los Angeles Division of the FBI to form the FBI's first forensic genetic genealogy team.
1:42.0	Steve Kramer served in the FBI for 20 years.
1:44.9	He was an in-house counsel for the Los Angeles division,
1:48.8	responsible for legal matters in the FBI's criminal and national security investigations where he oversaw investigative techniques and strategies.
1:58.0	Previously, Steve had worked as a federal prosecutor and a deputy district attorney where he prosecuted homicide, corporate fraud, and national security cases. After assembling and leading the team of investigators that helped solve the notorious
2:14.5	Golden State Killer case, he finished his Bureau career as the co-founder of the
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