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It's extra time.

She shoots and it's a girl.

Hello,

Hello guys and welcome back to the Extra Time podcast.

Today we are joined by the one and only Ted Newton,

the godfather of XG I've christened you

I don't believe that's true the godfather of XG might have been Charles Reep in

1997 which was a very long time ago. Okay, so you got his own Wikipedia page?

I'm sure that he does I think he does, yeah.

If not then please just tweet Ted for you know direct information on him.

I'm joined by Patrick Van Stratton this is our first extra time meets where we sit down and we actually

divulge you know on someone's career on someone's I suppose interests in this space you you know, a bit of a

event diagram here in that we steal a lot of what you do.

Anyway, so we have the messy project as our title. I mean it's not often we get to talk about like you know Leon or Massey.

Yeah, he doesn't get much press does he?

Such a rarity. Actually we don't cover an awful lot on the podcast because there is very rarely a fresh angle to take

But you've kind of taken all angles and that has provided you know said. So can you, can you elaborate a little bit on what

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