I'm Emily P. Freeman and welcome to The Next Right Thing. You're listening to

episode 320. I'm an author, a spiritual director, and an occasional

workshop leader.

I live in the Piedmont of North Carolina with my family,

and through my work, I've helped thousands of spiritually thoughtful people

overcome decision fatigue so that they can discern their next right thing in faith, work, and life.

Today, I'm continuing a series of conversations I'm having with people who I believe have a lot to teach us about the healthy human rhythm of leaving rooms and finding new ones.

As we celebrate the release of my new book, How to Walk Into a a room I wanted to have some dedicated conversations

about the art of knowing when to stay and when to walk away about what happens

when we do that and what we can learn along the way both from ourselves

in our life with God and in our life with one another. Grace Pichow is a Korean

American writer and senior acquisitions editor at Rivel, which is an imprint of Baker Publishing Group.

Grace has authored and edited several encouraged Bible studies and devotionals, and she's most recently contributed to the book

Voices of Lament, Reflections on Brokenness and Hope in a world longing for justice.

I've known grace for many years and she is a kind

and gracious presence for me personally but she extends this beyond just her

personal friends she creates space for people to be But she

creates space for people to be known, nurtured, and challenged

through her work.

And she desires to elevate women of color's

voices in the publishing industry.

Grace has said several goodbyes in the last year,

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